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Post by gbbrl97 on Sept 13, 2012 20:22:30 GMT -6
I saw this quote in the comments in the PG article:
"UWGB just let another local talent get away. When will UWGB fans / taxpayers get to watch some local talent play. Just keep giving free education to out of state players that sit on the bench. At leasy with Cody Wichmann choosing a Horizon school I may have a reason to watch one GB mens games this year."
That is such an idiotic comment on multiple levels:
1. Pulaski is 24 mi. from the GB campus, Little Chute is 34 mi. Botz and Wichmann are equally as 'local'. 2. Since when do the taxpayers decide how to run UWGB basketball or any other state-run school? These are the same kind of idiots who think they can submit a case to the Supreme Court when the Government doesn't something they don't like. There are case laws which have already proved that ordinary citizens can't do this kind of thing. 3. This buffoon did not do his homework or watched the number of HS games involving both Botz and Wichmann that some of the posters on this board have. It is the consensus that Wichmann is more skilled and a better shooter right now, but Botz is a little better athlete and is a harder worker (especially in the weight room). We already had the TK regime where we had a lot of 6'5" (or taller) forwards who could only shoot, but couldn't defend a chair or not aggressive enough to crash the boards. BW wants more complete players. 4. BW has to get the best players possible that fit his program and the chemistry of his team no matter where they are from. You don't recruit local guys to GB just to have local guys on the roster unless they will fit your program. If we followed this buffoon's logic, we would be the Youngstown State of the HL. 5. I agree with the poster's frustration, but a.) NE WI does not crank out a lot of D1 prospects on a yearly basis, and b.) when NE WI had a decent crop of good D1 prospects, which was during TK's tenure, he lost out to UWM, Loyola, or MVC schools, or didn't get into the fray until it was too late. You can't blame BW for that.
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Post by markus31x on Sept 13, 2012 23:15:48 GMT -6
I saw this quote in the comments in the PG article: "UWGB just let another local talent get away. When will UWGB fans / taxpayers get to watch some local talent play. Just keep giving free education to out of state players that sit on the bench. At leasy with Cody Wichmann choosing a Horizon school I may have a reason to watch one GB mens games this year." That is such an idiotic comment on multiple levels: 1. Pulaski is 24 mi. from the GB campus, Little Chute is 34 mi. Botz and Wichmann are equally as 'local'. 2. Since when do the taxpayers decide how to run UWGB basketball or any other state-run school? These are the same kind of idiots who think they can submit a case to the Supreme Court when the Government doesn't something they don't like. There are case laws which have already proved that ordinary citizens can't do this kind of thing. 3. This buffoon did not do his homework or watched the number of HS games involving both Botz and Wichmann that some of the posters on this board have. It is the consensus that Wichmann is more skilled and a better shooter right now, but Botz is a little better athlete and is a harder worker (especially in the weight room). We already had the TK regime where we had a lot of 6'5" (or taller) forwards who could only shoot, but couldn't defend a chair or not aggressive enough to crash the boards. BW wants more complete players. 4. BW has to get the best players possible that fit his program and the chemistry of his team no matter where they are from. You don't recruit local guys to GB just to have local guys on the roster unless they will fit your program. If we followed this buffoon's logic, we would be the Youngstown State of the HL. 5. I agree with the poster's frustration, but a.) NE WI does not crank out a lot of D1 prospects on a yearly basis, and b.) when NE WI had a decent crop of good D1 prospects, which was during TK's tenure, he lost out to UWM, Loyola, or MVC schools, or didn't get into the fray until it was too late. You can't blame BW for that. I think a lot of us have had this frustration for many years. For God's sakes, its time for GB area "basketball fans" to get a clue. You can only recruit "local" talent if its good enough to produce conference championships. Yeah, I get it, we lost out on Koch. TK tried. Maybe he got in too late but in reality it was 1 1/2 prospects we lost out on. Get over it. Other than that GB High schools have been terrible. We finally have some local talent ant Wardle has locked up Botz who he obviously feels has a chance to be a better player than CW. Also, he has offered Lowe. I can't stand these naysayers that er gonna piss and moan until we make the tournament but I guess thats just the way it goes. They won't be happy until Green Bay Preble grows another NBA talent point guard. We should be damn thankful we have Wardle and not another Heideman. And thats with apologies to Heideman.
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Post by shooting the J on Sept 14, 2012 6:10:50 GMT -6
As for the complainer in the PG, I'm not sure what this person wants? Would he rather watch a team of local players get kicked around than watch the team the will be competing for the conference championship this year? He says GB recruits out-of-state players to sit the bench. Did Alec Brown sit the bench last year while earning all-conference honors? I guess that makes those honors even more impressive . If this area basketball fan wants to watch locals sit the bench, he'll need to come watch when North Dakota State visits the Resch this year. GB will win by 15 despite NDSU having a solid starting line-up, because they have a week bench anchored by a bunch of in-state players. Seriously, did this complainer read Venci's article? Venci spelled it out in detail, Wichman's other offers were Idaho St, Nebraska-Omaha, and South Dakota. Combined with Milwaukee, that will be 4 teams that project to have losing records and RPIs sub-200 this year. Some will be in the 300s. If Wichman was under-recruited, and maybe he was, GB wasn't the only team to pass on him. He wasn't even recruited by the decent teams from the Summit League or Big Sky conference. This isn't the Kowalczyk era anymore. GB doesn't need to compete against scrub teams for players any more. They have an excellent core intact, with just 1 senior. This allows them the luxory to reach for highly rated recruits. I like to watch high quality basketball, so I don't understand the desire for local talent. The crowds will be big at the Resch this year, because fans in the area appriciate a winner. A losing team with local players doesn't draw well. The last year of the Heideman era was the only time attendance averaged under 3,000 a game. That team had local talent. I can tell that the Little Chute area is thrilled about Botz and the Phoenix. That town will pile into the Resch to watch a local player. I just hope they understand Botz will be on an outstanding team with little availble playing time. He'll need to wait his turn. In the meantime, those fans will likely enjoy watching the Phoenix cut down the nets as they win conference championships.
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Post by shooting the J on Sept 14, 2012 7:05:35 GMT -6
I'd also like to add that the only local player GB missed out on is Adam Koch. If Jake Koch was on this team this year, he'd be a back-up. A quality reserve, but still a bench player. He hasn't developed like it looked like he would. He seems to lack toughness.
Would Adam Koch have still chosen NIU if it were in a lesser conference? I doubt it. GB has lost out on just 1 quality Green Bay area player in 20 years, and he went to a MVC school.
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Post by can opener man on Sept 14, 2012 17:28:11 GMT -6
It was just an uneducated fan making a statement.
What matters is winning and putting a good product on the floor. Yes budget wise, you wanna get the talent as local as possible. Too me talent from chicago is just a 3.5 hour drive away, I consider that local in the college basketball recruiting world. The coaching staff should keep hammering away at Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Indiana, and not waste money traveling farther away. I never understood when Kowalczyk waste time and money recruiting in Texas. What are you going to find in Texas, that you can't find in the midwest.
If someone can't understand the type of fertile recruiting area chicago is for a college basketball program, they prolly just dont understand how college basketball works. For a team like Green Bay with a limited budget, they have to win the recruiting battles in a place like that.
You can't always depend on a coaches son, and a overlooked redshirt from Minnesota to become your best players over a 7 year span. History likely won't repeat itself the same way.
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Post by hoops on Sept 14, 2012 19:07:18 GMT -6
First of all, the Koch kids were not recruited by UWGB. Not one iota. It wasn't going to happen for various reasons.
Jake would be a major contributor on this team. Bennett, IMO has a very good chance to eventually be the best of the 3.
During TK's interview he made a comment that he would only recruit within 400 (maybe it was 500) miles of Green Bay. Before you know it, he's off in Georga, New Zealand and kids that had served in foreign countries. I realize an up and coming mid-major needs to take a few wild shots, but I always felt he never knew what he was looking for. Especially at PG, a position he played next to his entire career.
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Post by thetulsawarrior on Sept 14, 2012 19:53:55 GMT -6
Kowalczyk depended on getting leads on recruits at events like the AAU Tournments especially that big one in Vegas. He would also send a coach down to Tulsa every summer for the juco showcase, at Oral Robert University. Wisconsin prep talent was pretty lean during K's tenure and he never cracked the Chicago market until he got to Toledo.
It's tough to compare recruiting because different times have different dynamics. I like Wardle's staff and they have down an outstanding job of recruiting the upper midwest. The Chicago breakthrough is something every Nix coach since Dave Buss dreamed of achieving. For Wardle it helped establish a foundation and now he has caught a peak time forWisconsin prep talent. Throw in Alec Brown (a future NBA player) and a Hawkeye transfer and you're playing for a conference title.
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Post by Fanforever on Sept 15, 2012 13:40:18 GMT -6
I understand wanting local talent but as previously stated this area has been lacking. Take for example Paul Kraft. Although he was was a good student and representative he was not to the level of the current roster. During his time the team did not win much and attendance started to drop. So does local talent and losing bring the fans out. Definitely not. Winning is what brings people out to the games and that is why BW goes after the best talent. I have been a season ticket holder for ten years so I am not a fair weather fan but a fan that wants to see kids work hard respect the game and win.
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Post by hoops on Sept 15, 2012 20:07:12 GMT -6
I think everyone summed up the "local talent" story very well.
The overall level of play in NE Wisconsin has grown a lot in the last 8-9 years, even with the lack of feeder programs in the Green Bay Public school system. Not saying there have been more than a handful of D-1 players, but the programs have been better. A lot is attributed to some good AAU programs that are run the right way. Not all in Wisconsin are, but many do.
The bozo's that make those comments haven't a clue.
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Post by fredflinstone on Sept 16, 2012 21:57:20 GMT -6
Agree with all you guys about the bozo comment. Look at twitter. Rob Demovsky is among those Bozo's. He has been arguing what a big mistake GB made. Clearly harms his potential to write articles but other then that a no brainer. Losing Cougle they need a big, i.e. Kenny Lowe. Or to get a super stud i.e. Alec Peters. No need for Cody Wichman who had a terrible summer and went from receiving interest from a ton of mid majors to only having offers from Milwaukee at the mid-major level.
It's just sad to see their "beat writer" have some poor insight on college basketball.
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Post by shooting the J on Sept 17, 2012 5:54:17 GMT -6
There will be a time when getting a local talent will be the right thing to do. That time will be when the move is for winning 1st. Those players will be 2015 recruits Cody Schwartz and Brevin Pritzl. Both have GB offers, and both would be huge gets. Could they both get bigger offers? Sure. Green Bay might be able to fight those off by being an NCAA tournament team by then.
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Post by hoops on Sept 17, 2012 9:28:10 GMT -6
Schwartz has an offer from Creighton.
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Post by shooting the J on Sept 18, 2012 6:04:27 GMT -6
Schwartz has an offer from Creighton. I wouldn't call that an insurmountable offer. Does anyone really want to move to Nebraska? They're a mid-major, and as much as they want to move out of the MVC, nobody wants them. The A-10 turned them down. They have a special player there in the coaches son, but they'll take a step back after he is gone.
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Post by hoops on Sept 18, 2012 8:37:08 GMT -6
You might be underestimating Greg McDermott here.
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Post by shooting the J on Sept 18, 2012 10:42:44 GMT -6
You might be underestimating Greg McDermott here. Have you completely forgotten his stint at Iowa St? That was seriously ugly on and off the court.
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